Aeldra owns Metin2 Toplist (.net)

[Timx66 0]

https://metin2pserver.net/

belongs to Aeldra. 
For those who are interested, I will not reveal who I am....
But you should know this.

 

Proof 1:
https://web.archive.org/web/20211201054233/https://metin2pserver.net/
(Aeldra has been supporting Toplist since the beginning, even though they didn't get any traffic through it).

 

Proof 2:
https://metin2.download/picture/Jug3me2dqqks672t3cvDTWRDqL9gLinV/.png
https://metin2.download/picture/3X09p8dHFkX2GgS106ub9G0ii135Uqtg/.png
The font of the logo (compare logo of Toplist and Aeldra) is identical, in general you can tell that the same person is working on both projects.

 

Proof 3:
Source Codes.
Compares Toplist and Aeldra, both have identical source code profiles.
Both even have partial copy & paste work, like "<link rel="icon" type="image/png" href="assets/img/fav.png" />" --- that so much code is 1:1 identical, and since this is manually entered code, is certainly no coincidence.

 

Proof 4 - the best:
Go to Aeldra's website, and go all the way down. In the footer, where are the links, highlight everything. You will then find a hidden text "metin2 p server toplist" which links to the .net toplist. This is to promote their own toplist, in SEO. In case they removed it in the meantime, here is the archived proof:
https://web.archive.org/web/20220514021245/https://aeldra.to/

Apparently the high user count and No. 1 is not enough for them, now they also want to have their own No. 1 toplist, and then control everything that has to do with Metin2 - meaning us.

Just want to inform you about it, think it's good to know that belongs to Aeldra. If Aeldra's toplist becomes No 1, they get full power over the Metin2 scene. They will then decide which competition is allowed and which is not. They will surely downgrade or ban big servers, unlike the other toplist, where a lot of people might use bots but at least no admin really cares. Which is better in that regard after all. Also in the other toplist all is made by cron, suspicious votes cause loosing votes and so on, as I remember there is no admin even active or doing anything. But on .net toplist, there is a very active admin.. Aeldra..

Edited March 1, 2023 by Metin2 Dev International
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[AZICKO 7125]

It's for all these reasons that I created https://metin2.top, even if it is difficult to compete with all the existing toplists.

Unfortunately the toplists are either managed by a metin2 private server administrator (like https://top-metin2.com), or they are abandoned without any novelty and new features...  

[Draveniou1 699]

37 minutes ago, ASIKOO said:

It's for all these reasons that I created https://metin2.top, even if it is difficult to compete with all the existing toplists.

Unfortunately the toplists are either managed by a metin2 private server administrator (like https://top-metin2.com), or they are abandoned without any novelty and new features...  

https://metin2.top/

except you forgot something   

players don't see it, only those who deal with metin2dev see it 

players don't deal with metin2dev they want to play they are players and not programmer 

[DestinyR 0]

On https://www.metin2pserver.info/ the admin adds votes to the servers he wants too, he doesn't accept new servers, or accept the requests to update server information like banner and names.

Edited March 1, 2023 by DestinyR
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[TMP4 10560]

If it's true then what? It's nothing illegal or morally questionable.
It's like saying Apple - Samsung or Sony - Microsoft is bad because they're big and have influence.

5 hours ago, DestinyR said:

On https://www.metin2pserver.info/ the admin adds votes to the servers he wants too, he doesn't accept new servers, or accept the requests to update server information like banner and names.

Can you prove it? If this is true and you can prove it, then a lot of people's opinions about the website may change. But until then, it's defamation.

Edited March 1, 2023 by TMP4

[AZICKO 7125]

14 minutes ago, TMP4 said:

If it's true then what? It's nothing illegal or morally questionable.

I think it can be disturbing, for example, amazon has been singled out for favoring its own brand (Amazon Basic) over other sellers within its own platform. It's debatable if a private server has a toplist, it can have influence or advantage unlike other private servers. Of course, it's in the case where the private server has bad intentions, if the private server remains neutral, why not... But I'm not a fan of this idea... Ah ah

[TMP4 10560]

11 minutes ago, ASIKOO said:

I think it can be disturbing, for example, amazon has been singled out for favoring its own brand (Amazon Basic) over other sellers within its own platform. It's debatable if a private server has a toplist, it can have influence or advantage unlike other private servers. Of course, it's in the case where the private server has bad intentions, if the private server remains neutral, why not... But I'm not a fan of this idea... Ah ah

I understand what you're saying, but that's how businesses works in capitalism, and it's called free market.
Better than communism I guess , where government forbid such actions and controls the market.

[Mali 39778]

3 minutes ago, TMP4 said:

I understand what you're saying, but that's how businesses works in capitalism, and it's called free market.
Better than communism I guess , where government forbid such actions and controls the market.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/es/MEMO_17_1785

[Gurgarath 2446]

24 minutes ago, TMP4 said:

and it's called free market.

If we go into this, it is "abuse of a dominant position", it is when someone in a situation of monopoly, or of close monopoly in a field abuses of it to favor its other brand. For example, as Mali said, Google has been fined, Amazon too as Asikoo said, but Microsoft too, for example with "Media Player"; that is why we don't have it shipped completely anymore and that is also why they created a special Microsoft version for the European Market. On a side funny note (I am kinda joking though), it creates the same issue as in communism, except this time, it's the corporation that controls a branch of the market instead of the state

About private servers, I do not know who owns who, but an independent, uncheatable topsite is what we need. That's for the greater good of everyone (and that's called free market)

[TMP4 10560]

I completely understand you guys but my problem here is that Amazon/Google and Aeldra case is not the same.

39 minutes ago, Mali said:

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/es/MEMO_17_1785

Google broke laws, they restricted competition and seperated the market on purpose. 

As of now Aeldra is just a dominant server. They did not broke any law yet like Google, not even if they really own metin2pserver.net.

Let me quote from that factsheet: 

Quote

Market dominance is, as such, not illegal under EU antitrust rules.

That's why I don't understand this rant topic about Aeldra. As I mentioned above Aeldra is just like Sony or Microsoft in the Metin2 scene.

[GenraliDev 3]

So what, It's the best toplist out there, they give a shit about players.

It's a good site, never noticed anything bad nor would this be unethical if they would be connected, there seems to be no abuse, actually it's the only toplist that has real traffic and is not #1-#15 only votebotted.

 

[masodikbela 1332]

Alright lets see your points:

1. Indeed sus, but on the other hand, if you think about it: how can you actually get your toplist well known by players if not convincing an actually running server to give some thoughts about using their site instead of other already existing and already popular sites. As I'm aware by that time there was no other running toplist that was actually trustable and were not already proven to be corrupt in some ways (purchasable votes, easily bottable or something like that). If I would about to start a toplist I for sure would go try convince a big server to consider switching their primary vote for buff system to my site or noone will ever know about my site. (For example see m2devs toplist, literally noone uses it as far as I see.)
2. This is a vague topic since probably as many ppl as there are will see it differently, as for me I don't see any similarities, the serverlist's logo (as well as the whole design) looks really oldschool, couldn't even compare it with any other server's I know about.
3. I'm clueless about web development (and if you ask me its work of Satan himself so if he exists he is definitely the real brain behind it). From what little I know I could imagine this might even be some kind of framework generated code or something like that no? Like I said I'm clueless so rather not guess anything else on this point.
4. I can only say the same thing as I did on the first point.

All in all I can definitely see some kind of connection between them, so being in partnership at least seems to be very likely and actually would be very logical since the aforementioned points. However these are no proofs to that the toplist is owned by the same person/team. As far as I'm aware the toplist is owned by Zerial, and I can tell that for sure that he is not the owner of Aeldra.

I don't see much point of this topic, there is no actual hard proof, the only thing I can see is the likely frustration of the author whos' probable interested in other concurrent toplist that is slowly losing popularity to this toplist. If the site turns out to be corrupt as the others (favouring specific servers, selling votes or so) then bring us some proof and I will grab my pitchfork and join the crowd.

[PeaceMaker 121]

On 3/1/2023 at 1:00 PM, Timx66 said:

https://metin2pserver.net/

belongs to Aeldra. 
For those who are interested, I will not reveal who I am....
But you should know this.

 

Proof 1:
https://web.archive.org/web/20211201054233/https://metin2pserver.net/
(Aeldra has been supporting Toplist since the beginning, even though they didn't get any traffic through it).

 

Proof 2:


The font of the logo (compare logo of Toplist and Aeldra) is identical, in general you can tell that the same person is working on both projects.

 

Proof 3:
Source Codes.
Compares Toplist and Aeldra, both have identical source code profiles.
Both even have partial copy & paste work, like "<link rel="icon" type="image/png" href="assets/img/fav.png" />" --- that so much code is 1:1 identical, and since this is manually entered code, is certainly no coincidence.

 

Proof 4 - the best:
Go to Aeldra's website, and go all the way down. In the footer, where are the links, highlight everything. You will then find a hidden text "metin2 p server toplist" which links to the .net toplist. This is to promote their own toplist, in SEO. In case they removed it in the meantime, here is the archived proof:
https://web.archive.org/web/20220514021245/https://aeldra.to/

Apparently the high user count and No. 1 is not enough for them, now they also want to have their own No. 1 toplist, and then control everything that has to do with Metin2 - meaning us.

Just want to inform you about it, think it's good to know that belongs to Aeldra. If Aeldra's toplist becomes No 1, they get full power over the Metin2 scene. They will then decide which competition is allowed and which is not. They will surely downgrade or ban big servers, unlike the other toplist, where a lot of people might use bots but at least no admin really cares. Which is better in that regard after all. Also in the other toplist all is made by cron, suspicious votes cause loosing votes and so on, as I remember there is no admin even active or doing anything. But on .net toplist, there is a very active admin.. Aeldra..

This is nonsense, stop spreading empty lies.

But even if what you're saying is correct, metin2pserver.net is still a much better alternative than it's competitor metin2pserver.info anyways.

1- The page has a modern design and is easier to browse around.
2- They have a discord server where you can get in touch with the owner (Zerial)
3- The owner actually implements custom features to his api to support more server.
4- The page welcomes competition unlike metin2pserver.info.

They have recently stopped giving 200 votepoints for backlinks if your server homepage have also metin2pserver.net backlink which is completely ridiculous.
It reminds me of Origin2 blocking fortnite on player's PC so they can play their game more 



Either way, metin2pserver.info is in decline and everyone should be adopting metin2pserver.net

On 3/1/2023 at 1:08 PM, ASIKOO said:

It's for all these reasons that I created https://metin2.top, even if it is difficult to compete with all the existing toplists.

Unfortunately the toplists are either managed by a metin2 private server administrator (like https://top-metin2.com), or they are abandoned without any novelty and new features...  

I think metin2.top could potentially be one the top dog if you spend some time on advertising it and getting in touch with server admins convincing them why they should use it. It would of course take a bit of effort to make it show up on top of the list of search engines results but It shouldn't be impossible...

Edited March 19, 2023 by Metin2 Dev International
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[Draveniou1 699]

1 minute ago, PeaceMaker said:

This is nonsense, stop spreading empty lies.

But even if what you're saying is correct, metin2pserver.net is still a much better alternative than it's competitor metin2pserver.info anyways.

1- The page has a modern design and is easier to browse around.
2- They have a discord server where you can get in touch with the owner (Zerial)
3- The owner actually implements custom features to his api to support more server.
4- The page welcomes competition unlike metin2pserver.info.

They have recently stopped giving 200 votepoints for backlinks if your server homepage have also metin2pserver.net backlink which is completely ridiculous.
It reminds me of Origin2 blocking fortnite on player's PC so they can play their game more 



Either way, metin2pserver.info is in decline and everyone should be adopting metin2pserver.net

I think metin2.top could potentially be one the top dog if you spend some time on advertising it and getting in touch with server admins convincing them why they should use it. It would of course take a bit of effort to make it show up on top of the list of search engines results but It shouldn't be impossible...

don't be jealous

Edited March 19, 2023 by Metin2 Dev International
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[Xploison 0]

It's 100% Clear that they own it and even after announcing closure they still keep manipulating the site which is really crazy.